Why would the FBI get involved within less than 12 hours

[Condor]

How come the FBI is involved in less than 12 hours? Where did they come from? Why are they so interested in qassir's assasination?


Any clues?

[Moe]

Man its going out of limits, the explosions are becoming something normal in lebanon, and since we have a very respected president who can cntrol everything , they interfered to know whats happening.

[Condor]

Where did they come from? Why in less than 12 hours? why are they interested in qassir's assassination? FBI is not part of UN team which is a more pressing issue for the US to know.

[LOUAY]

How come the FBI is involved in less than 12 hours? Where did they come from? Why are they so interested in qassir's assasination?


Any clues?


good question

[Dylan]

How come the FBI is involved in less than 12 hours? Where did they come from? Why are they so interested in qassir's assasination?


Any clues?

Do you want Jean Fahd to do the investigation with the ajhiza as they are?

[Condor]

Do you want Jean Fahd to do the investigation with the ajhiza as they are?

That does not answer my questions. So from now on with every assassination we expect a task force from FBI to be lifted from Cyprus along with 15 field agents and other unknown number of information analysts to come to lebanon and do our job.

if the security agency is so bad and crooked and impotent then i think any investigation in any crime in lebanon from now is under serious doubt. This would be the end of lebanon, seriously.

So i repeat my questions;

How come the FBI is involved in less than 12 hours? Where did they come from? Why are they so interested in qassir's assasination?


Any clues?

[Dylan]

That does not answer my questions. So from now on with every assassination we expect a task force from FBI to be lifted from Cyprus along with 15 field agents and other unknown number of information analysts to come to lebanon and do our job.

if the security agency is so bad and crooked and impotent then i think any investigation in any crime in lebanon from now is under serious doubt. This would be the end of lebanon, seriously.

So i repeat my questions;

How come the FBI is involved in less than 12 hours? Where did they come from? Why are they so interested in qassir's assasination?


Any clues?

If you capture them through an investigation of one crime, many heads will start rolling... I think there will be other assasinations againct opposition politicians and journalists, as long as not a single person is caught. We've had something like 8 or 9 assasinations/attempts and nobody has been caught. I can surely keep my sensitivity to an FBI or French investigation help at bay for now.

[Dylan]

The US and France know like we know who has a hand in most if not all those acts. They also know like we know that the ajhezeh and legal BS teams in Lebanon can do nothing or some will not do anything to find out the culprits. So they are offering their help.

[Tare2]

Where did they come from? Why in less than 12 hours? why are they interested in qassir's assassination? FBI is not part of UN team which is a more pressing issue for the US to know.
Maybe Because the lebanese gouvernement asked them to do so oficially????

[HARIRI]

It's not like they came from Washigton DC. They're everywhere in the region. I heard they were called by the Lebanese government to come and pariticipate in the investigations from their regional bureau in Turkey.

Ahmad [HARIRI]:wavey:

[Dylan]

I don't give a damn honestly who comes in and helps... As long as not a single soul is captured, this bloody scenario is gonna continue.

I heard that there have been threats relayed to Saad about possible dangers to his security. FM is studying what to do about his much needed visits to the North and Beqaa...

[Condor]

Maybe Because the lebanese gouvernement asked them to do so oficially????

Why not france? why not scotland yard? Why not the swiss? Why the FBI who were ready and lifted from Cyprus. The FBI has a special interest in qassir's death.... time will tell

[Condor]

If you capture them through an investigation of one crime, many heads will start rolling... I think there will be other assasinations againct opposition politicians and journalists, as long as not a single person is caught. We've had something like 8 or 9 assasinations/attempts and nobody has been caught. I can surely keep my sensitivity to an FBI or French investigation help at bay for now.


I agree that we should expect more assassinations. Maybe opposition figures maybe some shadowy figures maybe opposition for the opposition firgures. Do not expect any culprit to be caught.

[Dylan]

Why not france? why not scotland yard? Why not the swiss? Why the FBI who were ready and lifted from Cyprus. The FBI has a special interest in qassir's death.... time will tell

Can we please stop our confident idea about who ends up benefiting and linking it directly to who did it??

The guy's last two collumns were red-hot about the internal oppression of the syrian opposition...

BY the way, the French have a team there which is already working on the scene.

Condor, take it easy. The US will not kill Samir Kassir. The ones who intimidated him, chased him, threatened him directly on the phone and in person, threatened his bodyguards into leaving him, are the ones who killed him eventually...,. And they did it at a time when the whole mood in the country has shifted from anti and pro syrian-lebanese intelligence into muslim-christian small electoral idiocy. That is partly thanks to Alexander's efforts....

[Tare2]

Why not france? why not scotland yard? Why not the swiss? Why the FBI who were ready and lifted from Cyprus. The FBI has a special interest in qassir's death.... time will tell
The french gouvernement is sending his (DST) agents too, It's only a logistical matter why they were less reactive, plus you have the fact that Kassir had a french citizenship, which somehow complicates a little more their intervention for it should not be felt as bypassing the lebanese authorities.

[Condor]

Can we please stop our confident idea about who ends up benefiting and linking it directly to who did it.

BY the way, the French have a team there which is already working on the scene.

Condor, take it easy. The US will not kill Samir Kassir. The ones who intimidated him, chased him, threatened him directly on the phone and in person, threatened his bodyguards into leaving him, are the ones who killed him eventually...,. And they did it at a time when the whole mood in the country has shifted from anti and pro syrian-lebanese intelligence into muslim-christian small electoral idiocy. That is partly thanks to Alexander's efforts....


french would have been enough and it is understandable since he is french.

I never said or hinted that the US killed qassir. The US has a big interest in his case for some reason. Time will tell.

[Condor]

The french gouvernement is sending his (DST) agents too, It's only a logistical matter why they were less reactive, plus you have the fact that Kassir had a french citizenship, which somehow complicates a little more their intervention for it should not be felt as bypassing the lebanese authorities.

The gov authorized the interior minister to use all local and foreign help. So no bypassing here. less than 12 hour after the gov authorization the FBI was on the ground. strange.

[Dylan]

french would have been enough and it is understandable since he is french.

I never said or hinted that the US killed qassir. The US has a big interest in his case for some reason. Time will tell.


Condor, the guy was killed. He's the first to be assasinated after Hariri. He was the bravest, most anti-Syrian regime journalist in Lebanon who had contacts with syrian opposition figures, and writings about their strugles. Especially lately, his columns have been ostly consecrated to talk about what is happening in the Baath party in syria, and the treatment of opposition figures. He's been harrased and threatened like no other journalists... So the link to syro-lebanese intelligence is so clear.

Why won't the US be interested????

[Condor]

Did he write all this out of hate to syrian regime? or love of freedom? he was not scared nor intimidated and said what he wanted to say with no fear and he was a well spoken person.

I am almost sure either the syrians or their allies did it but nobody will find a shred of evidence.

[Condor]

Condor, the guy was killed. He's the first to be assasinated after Hariri. He was the bravest, most anti-Syrian regime journalist in Lebanon who had contacts with syrian opposition figures, and writings about their strugles. Especially lately, his columns have been ostly consecrated to talk about what is happening in the Baath party in syria, and the treatment of opposition figures. He's been harrased and threatened like no other journalists... So the link to syro-lebanese intelligence is so clear.

Why won't the US be interested????


yoo are writing as if you really believe the US gives a nickle about freedom and opposition and all this crap. This is not the reason US is interested mr Dylan. Only time will tell.

[Dylan]

yoo are writing as if you really believe the US gives a nickle about freedom and opposition and all this crap. This is not the reason US is interested mr Dylan. Only time will tell.

I don't see how what I said leads you to think that I believe the US does it for self-less reasons.

The US wants to capture Syria red-handed. And the US wants no Arab regime to deal with it with "security" weapons, whether in Iraq, Palestine, or Lebanon.

[Tare2]

The gov authorized the interior minister to use all local and foreign help. So no bypassing here. less than 12 hour after the gov authorization the FBI was on the ground. strange.
The FBI has the exact mobile team needed ready in Iraq, it was only a matter of detaching the specialists from there, this is why i say that there were a logistical matter for the French, because teir team was not ready to be transported.
Don't forget that the US is officially in WAR, while the French are not.

[Condor]

They have all the means to catch Syria red handed in iraq not wait for a complicated security operation in lebanon that would get nothing out of it. US is isolating syria for now but when US is brought to its knees in Iraq they will need somebody to cover their retreat. The last thing US would think now is to smash syria. No manpower to do that and no interest other than keeping the pressure on syria. The tide is growing high in iraq against US. wait for big big changes within the next six months. just hold on to your seats.

[Condor]

The FBI has the exact mobile team needed ready in Iraq, it was only a matter of detaching the specialists from there, this is why i say that there were a logistical matter for the French, because teir team was not ready to be transported.
Don't forget that the US is officially in WAR, while the French are not.


The british had that too. The FBI has a special interest in qassir's case. Time will tell. no more to add from my side.

[Dylan]

The great changes in Iraq is civil war... Unfortunately we are seeing that.

Sunni-shi3a-kurd bloody merry-go-round.

[Condor]

The great changes in Iraq is civil war... Unfortunately we are seeing that.

Sunni-shi3a-kurd bloody merry-go-round.

yeah. and i think 'freedom' will spill over the border too.

[Dylan]

yeah. and i think 'freedom' will spill over the border too.

sunni islamist (vs.) baathi alawite???

[Condor]

islamist against regimes. syria gulf. islamist agaisnt all non islamist. what the reaction would be if a suicider run to a church or husayniya in lebanon and blew himself up? I will leave it up to you because i am sure you are up to it. i.e expecting what the reaction would be.

[freesamirgeagea]

Why we should ask Lahoud to resign and forget about Nabih Berre and Mostafa Hemdan????
I agree with General Aoun when he said that Lahoud is responsible but he is not alone...
Why the FBI are interferring. That's probably because we asked them to do so
unless you want the syrian intelligence to investigate :-) It is up to you man whatever you like

[Dylan]

There are revisions of this "constructive chaous" theory after the Iraq debacle...

Oil prices!!!!

[Dylan]

Why we should ask Lahoud to resign and forget about Nabih Berre and Mostafa Hemdan????



The price of Lahoud's head is Berri's.

Batrak, US, France want Berri out. Hariri as well, I think. He hasn't met him yet. Already there is talk of Husseini, and Hizballah has recently talked well about him. The strongest veto on Berri is from the US and France.

Hamadeh and S3eid talked about changing him. Jumblatt when asked said that just like the president who the christians and the batrak will propose and everyone will vote on, the speaker: shi3as will propose and the rest will have to agree on.

Since KC already mentioned they do not want Berri, and I think Hariri wants him out, I think Husseini is coming. That's partly what made KC go for Lahoud's head,not that anyone needs a reason...

But untill the elections (especially south and beqaa) are over, they will stay away from mentioning it.

Karami already gone, berri and lahous will be out soon.

[khaled]

i dont care even if el shiateen el homor (red devils) did the investigation as long the truth is known.

now why the us is interested, the answer is simple... they hope to find evidence that points the finger towrds syria...

again which is not my concern.

[Rubisco]

I think Condor has been reading the Angry Arab blog too much lately. Easy on the conspiracy theories dudes.

[Amer]

US government FBI bureau has a Middle East office in Cyprus that handles FBI activities in the region.

FBI and the French investigators arriving today were requested by the Lebanese Government in the special session held after the assasination of Martyr Kassir.

[Majd Libnan]

US government FBI bureau has a Middle East office in Cyprus that handles FBI activities in the region.

FBI and the French investigators arriving today were requested by the Lebanese Government in the special session held after the assasination of Martyr Kassir.

That's true Amer. Besides, Samir Qasir (Alla Yer7amou) is a French citizen and his wife Gizelle Khoury officially requested from the French government to investigate the crime.

[Condor]

I think Condor has been reading the Angry Arab blog too much lately. Easy on the conspiracy theories dudes.

it is the first time i hear that abu khalil is a conspiracy theorist.

I have been living outside lebanon for a while now i am not subjected to the daily brainwashing lebanese inside lebanon are subjected too. This is all. Get abstract information then read well and you will be fine. Forget about 95% of the news in lebanese media these days especially in election time.

[Rubisco]

Condor,

I have been living outside Lebanon for a while too and believe me the only thing I read in lebanese newspapers nowadays are the sports sections (good luck Ansar!!).
Abu khalil might not be a blunt conspiracy theorist, but I find him too bitter and the whole theme of his blog is about a zionist imperialistic opression against poor arabs that reminds me of good'ole arabist rhethoric. I mean come on, he said Samir Kassir was right wing!!! Besides the nice artwork on his blog everything else is worthless.

[LOUAY]

Why we should ask Lahoud to resign and forget about Nabih Berre and Mostafa Hemdan????


Chou sarelna chahren 3amma ne7ki about Nabih berri ?? everybody wants him out not only Lahoud !!
Or yemkin enta bte7essba since Lahoud is a maronite so you have to support him whatever what.... and the fact that if Lahoud will be fired, 7assab el anoun, the PM byetsallam el soulta bel balad, so that scares you how a PM, who is sunni, will take charge of the country for few days !!!
alileh malla 3a2liyyeh... !!!

[Dylan]

alileh malla 3a2liyyeh... !!!


3a2liyyeh "jerdiyyeh" from the 18th centuary...

Karami was thrown out by the streets... Lahous will be next. And there is talk of Husseini replacing Berri.

[Condor]

Condor,

I have been living outside Lebanon for a while too and believe me the only thing I read in lebanese newspapers nowadays are the sports sections (good luck Ansar!!).
Abu khalil might not be a blunt conspiracy theorist, but I find him too bitter and the whole theme of his blog is about a zionist imperialistic opression against poor arabs that reminds me of good'ole arabist rhethoric. I mean come on, he said Samir Kassir was right wing!!! Besides the nice artwork on his blog everything else is worthless.

Take the abstract info from his site. he paste links to newspapers and articles. Read them and do not get swallowed with his zionist imperialist etc... As for opression well aren't we opressed? They throw the qur'an down the toilet? If i see this act my heart would cry and my head will boil. He talks about iraq war and freedom. Is iraq really opressed or it is something he is making up about iraq being a slaughterhouse? everyday just browse 20-30 newspapers and you can get the taste of what is going on. Yes samir qassir was right wing and he was accused lately of being on the payroll of CIA. They are claiming it is an intelligence war between CIA and others and the field of fight is lebanon especially that he was a strategist in the opposition and a well deep thinker. They are saying it is way beyond syrians who killed him.

Do not jump on my throat i am not accusing him as of yet of being on the CIA payroll but the FBI involvement is really suspicous for many reasons.

[Dylan]

Yes samir qassir was right wing and he was accused lately of being on the payroll of CIA. .

I am really disappointed with this mentality. Excuse me Condor, but I've met Kassir, and know some of his friends... and feel sad that you are dragged to think that way. And I know his writing on palestine, Lebanon, and Syria. I've read some books of his.

All arab liberal opposition fihgures are "3omala", traitors... Only the arab-nationalist and islamists are the ones who can pass your blood test.

Excuse me if I am harsh, but I don't think so. I'm really disappointed that you go trough this "takhween" game.

Shame, since I like a lot of your posts.

[Condor]

I am really disappointed with this mentality. Excuse me Condor, but I've met Kassir, and know some of his friends... and feel sad that you are dragged to think that way. And I know his writing on palestine, Lebanon, and Syria. I've read some books of his.

All arab liberal opposition fihgures are "3omala", traitors... Only the arab-nationalist and islamists are the ones who can pass your blood test.

Excuse me if I am harsh, but I don't think so. I'm really disappointed that you go trough this "takhween" game.

Shame, since I like a lot of your posts.

i was clear when i said i do not accuse him as of yet of being on the CIA payroll. But really the involvement of the FBI is not innocent. I know how those FBI work. We had a mutual project in the university dealing about chemicals and related "crime scene stuff".

i wished if qassir wrote against most opressing regimes in the gulf and egypt but not a word. recently he joined the chorus of demanding a change in the syrian regime. I think somebody wanted him and others to stop this line. sadly it was a full stop.


Not every arab opposition is an agent. Some yes some no. Some of the "Arabists" are agents some no. But since he is dead now time will tell.

try to spend some time at the US national security archives and you will be shocked. They release CIA documents 35 years old every year.

Anyway; today when they hate a person he is syrian and when theyt like him they make him a hero of anti syrianism. exactly was it was yesterday. hate him he is israeli like him he is the hero of anti israelism. It is a game and lemmings are the victimes.

[Dylan]

i was clear when i said i do not accuse him as of yet of being on the CIA payroll. But really the involvement of the FBI is not innocent. I know how those FBI work. We had a mutual project in the university dealing about chemicals and related "crime scene stuff".


Not every arab opposition is an agent. Some yes some no. Some of the "Arabists" are agents some no. But since he is dead now time will tell.

try to spend some time at the US national security archives and you will be shocked. They release CIA documents 35 years old every year.

Anyway; today when they hate a person he is syrian and when the like him they make him a heroe of anti syrianism. It is a game and lemmings are the victimes.

Don't mix things up Condor. And don't blur the lines between the factual historical and presnt CIA and freedom-promotion NGO's (that are sponsored and involved with the US administration) and who is a traitor and sell-out.

The CIA and the US embassy was the one that brought the fractured Serbian opposition together They chose a soft-spoken Kostunica who everyone can bare to run against Milosevic. They payrolled pollsters, media consultanats, helped the opposition youth activist movement with money, computers, and expertise. And then this guy beat Milosevic and his anti-NATO nationalist rhetoric campaign.

Same with Ukraine's Yuchenko... He got support for his orange revolution from Freedom House, and Soros' organisation etc... But now is leading his country towards Nato, Europe, and an honest democratic and economic reform program that makes him at teh moment even more popular than when he was elected... His opponent's campaign was all about CIA and American involvement and the danger to the Russian-speaking community etc...

I mention tose to say that I supported American and European involvement in these two cases despite what leftist and scialist periodicals in Europe and the US were sloganeering about: making the Ukraine fight less about a criminal intelligence regime against reform-minded candidate, and more about the Western expansionist imperialist thrust towards Russia's domain...

On Kassir, if you know that he did not have money to buy protection for himself as he was personally threatened and fllowed around, you wouldn't be saying that he is on the payroll. If you know that because he was poor, Fares S3eid, nayla Moawad, Hariri, and then Jumblatt had to give him bodyguards that would leave one after the other after explicit threats on their lives, you would not accuse him of being a traitor..

Those angry-arab-type voices look at the "liberal" branch of the arab opposition movements as traitors. The only truely acceptable opposition lie somewhere within the nationalists and islamists, whose call for liberty and freedom is UTILITARIAN, second fiddle to their major gripe with the regmes (that they are not nationalist or islamist enough, or not anti-zionist enough...)

If that is your view Condor, the I am a traitor too. If Sa,mir Kassir's writings show any signs of him being a "traitor", then I am a traitor too.

[Condor]

Don't mix things up Condor. And don't blur the lines between the factual historical and presnt CIA and freedom-promotion NGO's (that are sponsored and involved with the US administration) and who is a traitor and sell-out.

The CIA and the US embassy was the one that brought the fractured Serbian opposition together They chose a soft-spoken Kostunica who everyone can bare to run against Milosevic. They payrolled pollsters, media consultanats, helped the opposition youth activist movement with money, computers, and expertise. And then this guy beat Milosevic and his anti-NATO nationalist rhetoric campaign.

Same with Ukraine's Yuchenko... He got support for his orange revolution from Freedom House, and Soros' organisation etc... But now is leading his country towards Nato, Europe, and an honest democratic and economic reform program that makes him at teh moment even more popular than when he was elected... His opponent's campaign was all about CIA and American involvement and the danger to the Russian-speaking community etc...

I mention tose to say that I supported American and European involvement in these two cases despite what leftist and scialist periodicals in Europe and the US were sloganeering about: making the Ukraine fight less about a criminal intelligence regime against reform-minded candidate, and more about the Western expansionist imperialist thrust towards Russia's domain...




1000 were slaughtered in uzbekistan. We never heard Bush nor Annan condemning the brutal killing by their friendly regime. Why is that? Do you really believe that freedom bla bla is a fundamental issue in the US doctrine? NO. when it is in their interests then they will smash any regime and when their interest is the oppsite then they support all brutality. Do not go far. take lebanon as example. When it was in their interest they sold lebanon to syria when it is not they drove them out.


At least 1000 in uzbekistan were brutally killed not a word from UN nor US. media coverage is minimal. Any involvement by US is not for free. as a reward for americans (for keeping silence about the brutal murder) uzbekistan is going to open american bases a stone throw from russia. Now what would be the price for US intervention in lebanon?


On Kassir, if you know that he did not have money to buy protection for himself as he was personally threatened and fllowed around, you wouldn't be saying that he is on the payroll. If you know that because he was poor, Fares S3eid, nayla Moawad, Hariri, and then Jumblatt had to give him bodyguards that would leave one after the other after explicit threats on their lives, you would not accuse him of being a traitor..

Those angry-arab-type voices look at the "liberal" branch of the arab opposition movements as traitors. The only truely acceptable opposition lie somewhere within the nationalists and islamists, whose call for liberty and freedom is UTILITARIAN, second fiddle to their major gripe with the regmes (that they are not nationalist or islamist enough, or not anti-zionist enough...)

If that is your view Condor, the I am a traitor too. If Sa,mir Kassir's writings show any signs of him being a "traitor", then I am a traitor too.


Read part of his resume. i doubt he does not have enough money to buy protection. His wife too has $$$.



استاذ في معهد العلوم السياسية في جامعة القديس يوسف، وكاتب في جريدة "النهار" منذ 1998.
- كتب في "لو موند ديبلوماتيك" من 1981 الى 2000.

- رئيس تحرير النشرة العربية في "لو موند ديبلوماتيك" 1998 – 2000.

- رئيس تحرير "اوريان اكسبرس" 1995 – 1998.

- عضور في مجلس تحرير مجلة الدراسات الفلسطينية في باريس 1986 – 1994.

- كتب في جريدة "الحياة" في لندن 1998 – 1989.

- عمل في "اليوم السابع" من 1984 الى 1985 وفي "اوريان لوجور" من 1977 الى 1981.

المدير العام لمنشورات "دار النهار" 1993 – 1995، واسس منشورات "ليالي" 1998.

- درّس "تاريخ الشرق الاوسط المعاصر" و"الشرق الاوسط – مشكلات وتحديات"، ونظم مؤتمرات وحلقات مناقشة حول: "مدخل الى الحضارة العربية والاسلامية"، "نظم وافكار سياسية في العالم العربي"، "عملية السلام في الشرق الاوسط".

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I do not care about this angry arab position he is a person who writes and i read him like i read yediot ahronot and others.


, Fares S3eid, nayla Moawad, Hariri, and then Jumblatt had to give him bodyguards that would leave one after the other after explicit threats on their lives, you would not accuse him of being a traitor..


bodyguards leave because of threats? Are they really bodyguards or marathon runners? What kind of bodyguard that would leave when he feels his work exposes him to danger? For god sake it is their job to be in danger otherwise they wont be called Bodyguards?

[Dylan]

bodyguards leave because of threats? Are they really bodyguards or marathon runners? What kind of bodyguard that would leave when he feels his work exposes him to danger? For god sake it is their job to be in danger otherwise they wont be called Bodyguards?


They were personally threatened, explicitly... No "feeling threatened" there... His dad mentioned that. So did others.

[Condor]

They were personally threatened, explicitly... No "feeling threatened" there... His dad mentioned that. So did others.

then they are not bodyguards. They are road runners.