geagea

[elsakhra]

Geagea on Saturday sent out strict instructions to the LF rank and file to cast their votes to the coalition lists with Saad Hariri's Tayyar Al Mustaqbal, Walid Jumblat's Progressive Socialist Party, Carlos Edde's National Bloc Party, Qornet Shahwan, Dory Chamoun's National Liberal party, Nassib Lahoud's Democratic Renewal
Movement, the Tripoli coalition and Elias Attallah's Democratic Left Movement.

[Dylan]

If only le General had listened to Samir Geagea and the Patriarch back in 1989-90...

I expect Samir Geagea will be a new pole which the Kornet Shehwan independents and the different christian MP's gravitate around after he gets out....

Alex the Switch can not be a "marja3"... He is so ego-maniacial, and speaks from all sides of his mouth and ass.... I think Samir Geagea will try to play the role that Pierre Gemayyel and Kamil Chamoun used to play: not eliminate others, but be the strong christian leader whose opinion is asked by not only LF MP's but even independents in Kornet Shehwan....

He is playing it smart, and I expect him to emerge after his release as a person to reckoned with.

[LOUAY]

Well I knew after 11 years in prison the guy would have changed... actually it is kinda surprising me a little that he is asking this from LF members....
But why he is aking to vote for Elias Atallah ?? wasn't he fighting against them during the war ???

[lfpm]

If only le General had listened to Samir Geagea and the Patriarch back in 1989-90...

I expect Samir Geagea will be a new pole which the Kornet Shehwan independents and the different christian MP's gravitate around after he gets out....

Alex the Switch can not be a "marja3"... He is so ego-maniacial, and speaks from all sides of his mouth and ass.... I think Samir Geagea will try to play the role that Pierre Gemayyel and Kamil Chamoun used to play: not eliminate others, but be the strong christian leader whose opinion is asked by not only LF MP's but even independents in Kornet Shehwan....

He is playing it smart, and I expect him to emerge after his release as a person to reckoned with.
obviously you don't know your history ---> kamil chamoun 1968

[mia]

Geagea on Saturday sent out strict instructions to the LF rank and file to cast their votes to the coalition lists with Saad Hariri's Tayyar Al Mustaqbal, Walid Jumblat's Progressive Socialist Party, Carlos Edde's National Bloc Party, Qornet Shahwan, Dory Chamoun's National Liberal party, Nassib Lahoud's Democratic Renewal
Movement, the Tripoli coalition and Elias Attallah's Democratic Left Movement.


just 3 days ago i was chatting with my friends about who can b the new president

I said Ga3ga3, and believe me all of them supported this idea, ya3mi even my old mom and my old aunt supported this idea.

Yalla inshallah he comes back.

and as an FM memeber i appreciate if all of us will be in welcoming him

[Abou Zi7]

i dont think the prison changed him , yes his party is on the list now but I still dont like him or his ideas its just my opinion

[Dylan]

obviously you don't know your history ---> kamil chamoun 1968
1958 ya lfpm.... But it was not an inter-christian ilgha2 war. It was an ideological pro-Baghdad pact (mostly christian) vs. pro-Nasser (mostly muslim)....

Check your history.

[elsakhra]

jonblat also was fighting against geag3a .....the past is in the past we must learn from the past and be aible to build a new future .... why he must ask to vote for jonblat and not for elias 3attalah

[LOUAY]

jonblat also was fighting against geag3a .....the past is in the past we must learn from the past and be aible to build a new future .... why he must ask to vote for jonblat and not for elias 3attalah

ana be7terim hal kalam... 3an jad bravo :) thnx

[Gamma]

I am a Geagea supporter...
He was a fighter yes, and He knows what is war, and the mistakes done in the past. he learned a lot during his life, he was good in politics and organization, and he was among the first to jump on the opportinity for peace and recolciliation, and delivered his arms and weapons and work for democracy. But unfortunatly the syrian agents or lebanese ,I don't know who exactly, had another plans for lebanon.
He always take the hard decisions, against the stupid propaganda and "haleh cha3biyeh" if he notice that the haleh will lead to destruction. (ref Taef in 1989 and now).

I think he has a common thing with the martyr Rafik el hariri: both of them are always positive even in the very hard time.

Even during his imprisonment he doesn't want to revenge he just wants a true reconciliation, but unfortunatly Syrian agents have just found the typical general to join the first one and recreate a tension atmosphere btw the lebanese in order to demotivate us and to disturb our forces.

Don't listen to propaganda we are moving and making progress towards freedom and NEW LEBANON.

[mia]

inshallah

I am so worried about tommorrow

[LOUAY]

inshallah

I am so worried about tommorrow

don't worry I think aoun will be very surprised and disappointed

[zingo33]

Khalas tal3o ba2a. Many people who killed, raped, stole, and kidnapped during the war are loose on the streets. What is the logic of him being the only one punished? Hating his policy is not a reason. For the ones who hate him, I think we should learn that in this country no one can not have 100 % his way and he has to live with others.

[AbouBalad]

I wish that LFers reply positively to this wise message of Mr. ja3ja3 and vote massively tomorrow. What I mostly appreciated in his message was the focus on the political aspect of the coalition "which goes beyond the elections". That is true, for ending the security regime and building a cross-sect coalition capable to face the upcoming challenges with confidence.

And of course, completing the national reconciliation by freeing this man, something that was failed in 2001 due to the great efforts of Lahoud and his ministers in the cabinet, Murr and Irslen and Franjiyeh (see today's article of Fares khashan for details). I was clear from his message of today that this smart man knows very well why Aoun was back before freeing him, and has made very serious conclusions about the future and the importance of winning these elections with his allies.

I think he sees very well that:

THE MASK IS DOWN
DEFINITELY DOWN

[Majd Libnan]

I will take a million Geagea over one Aoun. Geagea is brave; if wants to fight you he lets you know. Aoun is a sneaky manipulator; he says one thing and does another. He is double faced and a liar.

[mia]

no way u can compare Ja3ja3 to aoun

one is a reasnable person the other is .....

ba3deen ja3ja3 da7a kteer, aoun keen paris in a home

ja3ja3 sacrified a lot

inshallah yotla3 b khier

[LOUAY]

no way u can compare Ja3ja3 to aoun

one is a reasnable person the other is .....

ba3deen ja3ja3 da7a kteer, aoun keen paris in a home

ja3ja3 sacrified a lot

inshallah yotla3 b khier

but dont forget that geagea sacrified 3ala 7seb el ekhar

[elsakhra]

what do u mean viva????

[Apollo]

Nice words from Dr. Gaegae........very great and meaningful......
10x....really it's very nice to see those things around......
Hope that the FPMers would catch the train of unity and democracy....

[Apollo]

just 3 days ago i was chatting with my friends about who can b the new president

I said Ga3ga3, and believe me all of them supported this idea, ya3mi even my old mom and my old aunt supported this idea.

Oh.....Aoun would prefer to die instead of seeing Gaegae as a president :D

[mia]

Oh.....Aoun would prefer to die instead of seeing Gaegae as a president :D


well this is democracy, if most want ja3ja3 then all want ja3ja3, he should accept

[ranin]

ok mia , i think ja3ja3 nay eb a president kermel eltewteen , la2nno ja3ja3 karto mahroo2 momken yehmel hiek ossa . bas haowwe ma byestehal ykoun ra2ess .

[Saidon]

i think ga3g3 could be a president due to several purposes
1 - ja3ja3 was and still a great enemy for aoun , (elmosalaha kenet shaklie)
2- ja3ja3 is an enmey for lahoud , maybe the relation was indirect , bas kellna mna3ref inno lahoud ra2s elsolta elamnie yalla hatet ja3ja3 belhabes
3- ja3ja3 popularity between christians can be equal la gma
these will encourage the oppostion to benefit from this case to getrid of the two generals , aoun and lahoud (ya3ni 3asforin b hajar wa7d)

[elsakhra]

ya saidon first ja3ja3 popularity between christians is not just equal as gma it is a lot more but between christians only ....
second ma ba2 lezm n7ott brassnna enno ja3ja3 lezim yeggeh ra2iss mkeyeh bi 3oun houleh men zamin kholsso hal ossass ma 7adda bye2dar ye;geh 7adda walla yemkeh 7adda bass ana bira2iyeh ga3ga3 will be a good president ....wel madeh sar waranna lezim n2im ba2a fekritt lano2ahar wla nemkeh ....

[Dylan]

ya saidon first ja3ja3 popularity between christians is not just equal as gma it is a lot more but between christians only ....
second ma ba2 lezm n7ott brassnna enno ja3ja3 lezim yeggeh ra2iss mkeyeh bi 3oun houleh men zamin kholsso hal ossass ma 7adda bye2dar ye;geh 7adda walla yemkeh 7adda bass ana bira2iyeh ga3ga3 will be a good president ....wel madeh sar waranna lezim n2im ba2a fekritt lano2ahar wla nemkeh ....

The new president will be someone like Nassib Lahoud or Boutros Harb.

However, the new strongest Christian leader will be Samir Geagea. And I will remind you all when many independent Kornet Shehwan MP's will start roaming around Ghedres in the future. Geagea has the qualities to be the new christian pole in the future.

[Apollo]

houleh men zamin kholsso hal ossass ma 7adda bye2dar ye;geh 7adda walla yemkeh 7adda bass ana bira2iyeh ga3ga3 will be a good president ....wel madeh sar waranna lezim n2im ba2a fekritt lano2ahar wla nemkeh ....

Very nice words.....hats off....

[Saidon]

elsakhra: 5ayye iam only analyzing , ba3den we are going to talk politically , w belseyese yalli elto wered , ma badna nkazzeb 3ala ba3ed w n2oul inno 5lset elhareb w 5alas w nsina , bas b nafes elwa2et ma fina nenkor inno fi 5alfaeyet mosalha kbeere w mhemme , ya3ni fi ardye lal we7de watanye w la nesyan elmadi , w hezboallh wamal mish b3ad 3an elmosalaha , ken na2es aoun , bas aoun ma bado w el7al elwaheed lal mo3arda seysaian howwe ja3ja3 , w ma hada bye2dar yetfwa2 3ala aoun belshere3 elmasihe ella ja3ja3 .

* hala2 he could be agood president i wish . because this will be good for lebanon and this is what we must think about .

[U N O]

loooooooooooooooooooooool
shou heddaaaaa ??? geagea for president ??
walla ya jame3a i guess u guyz r loosing ur minds ...
lets hope hes freed soon and then we will see what happens, but dont start with...GEAGEA FOR PRESIDENT


INNA LOUBNAN WATANOUNA, WA FIHI BAKOUN

[Saidon]

U N O , why you refuse geagea as a president ?and who do you prefer else?

[U N O]

i did not say i refuse Geagea for president ;)
but its just weird how things change quickly .. a few months ago, Geagea was the most hated man on the forum, right now, everyone likes him, respects him, says that he has principles while noone agreed with me on those points a few months ago ..
u shouldnt choose Geagea as president just because u dont agree with Aoun lately, this is my point ..so my question for u is : Why do u want Geagea for president except that u dont want Aoun ?

INNA LOUBNAN WATANOUNA, WA FIHI BAKOUN

[AbouBalad]

Leish Aslan fikrit Aoun President matrou7a? la-sma7allah ! wala bi manemo!

[Saidon]

AbouBalad, uno , kel elasemi matrou7a , 5alina bas n2oul inno meen elafdal , by the way uno ana ma 2let inno baddi ja3ja3 ana ra2ye menno feek traj3o kteer mnee7 from other posts , tab3an ra2ye menno mesh howwe ra2ye men el lf memebers , bas what iam saying is that only what iam thinking of , not what i wish . as to me i prefer boutros hareb as a president , if not nasib lahoud could be a choice .

[Zakzak]

sakhra ya3ne should we say LFs forgot l federaleye?
wo to aboubalad, about aoun being president.
listen its not up to you, as you choose your PM and shia choose their ra2ess majless, its normal christians choose their president. not FM and not PSP and not anyone else has the right to veto this figure.

[Saidon]

Zakzak , you are totally wrong :who told you this theory that christians choose their president the opposite happen. look lamma ne5tar ra2ees hkome byne2smoelnowab elmuslmeen fa yalli bhadded meen ra2ees elhkome hiie aswat elnowab elmasihie , nafs elshe bseer bhalet ra2ees eljmohorye bas bel3akes.

3ajabtnye mennak kelmet normal christians . tle3at fia zakzak 3al e5er . allah yhdeek .

[Dylan]

President: christian MP's and the Patriarch nominate, and the parliament votes.

Speaker: Shiaa MP's nominate, and the parliamnet votes.

Prme Minister: same..... Sunni acceptance and majority in parliament.

[Zakzak]

President: christian MP's and the Patriarch nominate, and the parliament votes.

Speaker: Shiaa MP's nominate, and the parliamnet votes.

Prme Minister: same..... Sunni acceptance and majority in parliament.

you think this is how it goes???? waaaaahahahahha.
ya3ne we dont have democrateye tawafo2eye? well if you can convince your mentor as future movement...
thats fine with me. but please dont fool our intelligenzia.

[Dylan]

you think this is how it goes????

Like it or not, yes this is how it goes.....

Alex of Orange will not be president. He will have to have a military coup to get there. ;)

[Maz]

but its just weird how things change quickly .. a few months ago, Geagea was the most hated man on the forum, right now, everyone likes him, respects him, says that he has principles while noone agreed with me on those points a few months ago ..
u shouldnt choose Geagea as president just because u dont agree with Aoun lately, this is my point ..so my question for u is : Why do u want Geagea for president except that u dont want Aoun ?


AGREE WITH YOU U N O!!!it really doesn`t make sense!!!! inou ok u want him as a president ( eventhough its a little bit early since he is till in jail) ..but why ? just bcoz he is AOUN enemy? well aktar min80% bi leb dedd aoun!!!
i think its toooooooo early to talk about JA3JA3 as a president !!!!!!! and its tooo early to judge,, as for viva and mia and others .u all talking in PREDICTION point of view.. that after 11 years in the jail.. so for sure he changed!! well ok maybe.. but any proof?..
we can take GMA as example : his speeches from paris. and here!!! just ==> <==

its just tooo early...

peace

[Farah.]

although i dont believe in federalieh, i am happy ennou finally we got allied. coz 3njad khelessna ba2a. maybe mani kteer mo2ayideh la ja3ja3, sorry elsakhra, bass i think that we must accept each other, we'rent asking from u to support hariri 100%, that's democracy. I think eno the day he'll be out, i'll be happy, bcoz ana kteer bshajje3 l shakhes li bikun 3m binadel for his cause w byousalla bel ekher, i was happy for fpm the day aoun came back although i wasnt really a pro aoun, bas i was justing putting myself in fpmers place, yemken ken 3id la 2alon. Although ken fi kteer eshekelet ben ja3ja3 w ben l fi2a mnel lebneniyeen khassatan l muslims, bas i think it was war, wel 7a2 3al kel ken, w i am sure basta yetla3 mnel 7abes he'll surprise us bi e3tidelou. ma fina nkhalli tayf l madi mrefa2na. go and see how much france and germany are allied. there was a war between them. but they know ennou ma fina nestamerr eza dellayna 7emleen mteriss 3a ba3ed, 3a amal ennou nerja3 nettefe2 fil musta2bal ma3 aoun (lesh b7es enou sa3beh bas ?)

[Farah.]

i agree enno ma ykun president... ma mishen shi bass i think we dont want war symbols.. ennou fi ykun politician neje7 bas ra2iss joumhourieh.... la hweh wala aoun. la2an ra2is l joumhourieh lezem ykoun la kel lebanon w unfortunately hol l tnen woussoulon momken ye3mel enzi3aj 3end ba3del lebnenieen

[Saidon]

i think ja3ja3 even i do not support him , no even i hate him , but i admit he is agreat political man and a great leader . at least he refuse to make an agreement with lahoud w elsayyed welsoryeen , w yemken law 2bel ken mish b3eed inno ykoun ra2ees men zamen .and maybe for coincidence ja3ja3 yemken ykoun aktar wa7ad estafad men kel shi sar bela3alm . i think ja3ja3 must be thankful to the following :
1-ben laden
2-elzarkawi
3- syrian crazy system and the omarkarami stupid goverment yalli tsababet b ma2tal elhariri
4- united nation ( usa)
5-and of cource , eklnafes eldanee2a elmwajoude 3ind aoun yalli 5aleto ye5sar kteer men sha3bito yalli kenet 3indo abel ma yeji.
6- his previous freidns (israel )
there are others .......................

[Saidon]

farah mesh 3am betna2de halek ,
1- in the first post u have said that inno ja3ja3 la7 yfeje2na be3tdelo , ba3den 3am bet2ouli inno howwe met3asseb late2fto .
2- kamen 3am bet2oule inno badna wehde watanye w bterja3e bte2oule inno fi nes btenza3aj .... ghareeb wein elwehde elwatanye
3- kamen bet2oule inno elhareb 5lset bas btna2de nafsek w bet2oule ma badna ja3ja3 ra2ees la2nno war symbol.

[Zakzak]

Like it or not, yes this is how it goes.....

Alex of Orange will not be president. He will have to have a military coup to get there. ;)

what do you think about jumblat as president? hes your mentor now

[Gamma]

Concerning federaliyeh:
the lebanese front (camille chamoun as president of the political strategy of the front) proposed the federaliyeh as a solution to the lebanese war. It's not anymore their main project now.
They are more with a decentralization and maximum progress in civil right ...

And in 1990 they agreed on taef so their position is clear.

But frankly I don't know if Samir geagea likes to be president, because he likes to work on organisation, and do the things by his hands. He likes to be more on the field (minister) rather than in a presidencial post.

[hippie]

I don't think he will become a president, he'll have to give more time to his family life i guess... as i don't think he will get a consensus from the majority of the lebanese.
I have a very deep respect for him , however i'd rather see someone like Nassib lahoud as a president...

[Dylan]

however i'd rather see someone like Nassib lahoud as a president...


Me too..but Alex l'khetyar wants to defeat all the maronite presidential hopefuls and all other christian forces.....

Lets see if Nassib Lahoud makes it through in the Metn elections: Murr+FPM+Tashnak have e a lot of votes, and Gemayyel plays it dirty with his allies usually. In 2000, he was not honest and exchanged votes with Murr.

[Abou Zi7]

I dont think ja3ja3 can be a good president for all the lebanese he will only be a president for his own section, ja3ja3 is still the old ja3ja3 so dont dream a lot !!! even if the LF are allies now but they still have their own old ideology.

[hippie]

Me too..but Alex l'khetyar wants to defeat all the maronite presidential hopefuls and all other christian forces.....

...and Gemayyel plays it dirty with his allies usually. In 2000, he was not honest and exchanged votes with Murr.

He should, some aounists will never vote for a ssnp like ghassan el askhkar, i don't think pierre gemayel will make it and to be honest i wouldn't care much .... for me he is nothing but a racist. Personally i'll never ever vote for a whole list...I just think it's plain stupid.

[Abou Zi7]

hippie are u that member in the LF forum the one with this weird tongue out avatar ?

[hippie]

bsha7mo w la7mo

[Moe]

Guys please we have private messages and a chatting room, let us stick into the topic in the political forum, thank you.

[Apollo]

Farah said: , i was happy for fpm the day aoun came back

Still happy :P

[Farah.]

after rumors about the elections results not at all :P yalla that's democratic life

[Apollo]

He is very weird.....he is different from that person who was in france....
he is not political.....he is an army man......
akbar daleel:" When a politician fights with another, he don't offense his fellows and symbols(like Aoun doing in offensing Rafee2 Hariri) in order not to lose the respct he have among them" w i am sure that many of us used to respect Aoun and things changed now...

[lfpm]

1958 ya lfpm.... But it was not an inter-christian ilgha2 war. It was an ideological pro-Baghdad pact (mostly christian) vs. pro-Nasser (mostly muslim)....

Check your history.
dylan no no 1968 :D just ask jumblat. well that is if he's out from 3asfouriyyeh after his nervous breakdown. btw kamil cham3oun in 1968 and now michel aoun 2005, both working for lebanon, both true leaders.

[FPM]

Wlek nchalla hal marra tkouno sad2in ma3o la ja3ja3.
bel Taef eltoulna wife2 wataneh, w tahelouf ma3 ja3ja3, rehto habasstou teni yom w 3melto el ouwet criminals.

Nchalla tkouno sad2in w mabrouke kell mousalaha la lebnen.

Bass eza fekerkoun ano testa3emlo geagea dod FPM, bet kouno gheltanin.
hatta law baddo, which i doubt, you can see what happened to others who tried.

[Dylan]

Wlek nchalla hal marra tkouno sad2in ma3o la ja3ja3.
bel Taef eltoulna wife2 wataneh, w tahelouf ma3 ja3ja3, rehto habasstou teni yom w 3melto el ouwet criminals.

Nchalla tkouno sad2in w mabrouke kell mousalaha la lebnen.

Bass eza fekerkoun ano testa3emlo geagea dod FPM, bet kouno gheltanin.
hatta law baddo, which i doubt, you can see what happened to others who tried.

What a demagogue sectarian speech....

"You muslims gave us Taef, and put Hakim in jail."

1)Taef was a compromise with international sponsorship between christians and muslims, that completely satisfied neither as all compromises are. It was sponsored by the US, Saudi Arabia, and Syria , and was later neglected by the first two and not implemented by the last.

2) Muslims did not choose to put Geagea in prison. Syria did.

[FPM]

LOL no, U as Hariri and Jounblatt.
The ones who were ministers and prime ministers then, remember?

The ones who just a month ago called the Hrawi period as one of "great achievements".

[Saidon]

FPM , you are a black point in the history of the fpm . look i will tell you something i know that you and the other mangolian lebanese are working hardl for the destruction of the ta2ef, but do not dream . the ta2ef la7 yeb2a for ever w ma fi hal teni ghairo . seconed what make you angry is that we suggest samir ga3ga3 as a president .this is what we predict but we do not prefer . we are looking for future and you know that ge3ga3 represent elmdi elaleem . allah yehdeek w ynawwer 3a2lak , nchalla tseer tfakker b watanka abel ma btfakker b dinak w ba2hlak .

[Saidon]

by the way i want to ask elskhra : you told me that ge3ge3 size is more big then aoun among christians: ken wadeh halshi fe3lan mbereh in jbeil and kasrwan . b dalil inno maorashee elkowat sa2to . fe3lan tamseel masihe besharref . baddi mennak red wadeh .

[Apollo]

Wlek nchalla hal marra tkouno sad2in ma3o la ja3ja3.
bel Taef eltoulna wife2 wataneh, w tahelouf ma3 ja3ja3, rehto habasstou teni yom w 3melto el ouwet criminals.

Who are we...you mean FM habaset ja3ja3!!!!

FPM , you are a black point in the history of the fpm

LOl ...agree...Fpm is not like this